i mean when bill clinton got angry on hillary's behalf, didn't work that well. when teresa heinz told a reporter to shove it, not the best moment. i think that ann romney has been having some of those moments. i actually think that she explained to us better than anybody why the choice for paul ryan, though, when she said early on he's looking for someone he feels comfortable with. >> and that was it. >> and i just think, you know, the whole paul ryan not being utilized correctly, i mean you usually hear that complaint from the vice presidential nominee's camp itself and you're not doing that and i think he actually has been a pretty loyal second and that will help him maintain his brand. >> i do too. i think also the thing that will help him is the thing that alex pointed out before, and we have a been talking about, the distance -- if romney loses conservatives who consider paul ryan their hero are going to say the reason romney lost because he didn't embrace ryan enough. that will allow ryan to maintain his heroic status with that group of intellectuals and a